Behringer trop prétentieux ?

[TheAlien666]

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Bah, Walter, euh, Wendy l'avait "caricaturé" elle aussi (pour rester poli) à l'époque. Quoique ce n'était pas un VP330, mais bien un Bode Vocoder (légèrement modifié par Bob Moog).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MCnnfXPSHw[/video]
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[BLT]

L'interprétation de W. Carlos vole quand même bien plus haut que celle de F. Irechild et a tout son sens dans Orange Mécanique (et non dans Dr. Folamour, très fort le youtubeur ).

[LeGrosChat]

...Chacun "caricature" à la mesure de son propre talent, mon cher Alain ! ...Toute la différence vient de là :

Wendy Carlos :



Fireschpountz :

[MS12]

Je sais pas pourquoi, sur la fin de la vidéo, quand il reprend sa chanson pourrave, on dirait qu'il se prend pour Freddie Mercury.
Ou alors j'ai trop forcé sur la vache qui rit...

[Biosynth]

Elle est tres bien cette 2eme video de Firechild. Je suis tres surpris voire déçu de l’acharnement de certains à son égard. Ce n’est pas votre came on a compris, mais cette demo comparative est tres bien réalisée. J’aimerais en voir plus souvent, à la place des commerciaux qui se pignolent au Namm sans rien maîtriser...

[MS12]

Si c'est sur ce que je viens d'écrire, je penses que tu te méprends. Je crois qu'on sait faire la différence entre la machine et celui qui en joue.
Dans la première partie de la vidéo il montre clairement que le deux machines sonnent pareil. Ca me va très bien d'autant plus que ça montre la stérilité à mon sens du débat 'c'est du Berhi' c'est pas du vrai et ça sonne pourri.
Ca a l'air d'une bonne machine qui m'intéresse. De plus il fait des accords d'une rare "complexité", ce qui est très étonnant si l'on compare avec le reste de ses productions. Il aurait pu s'arrêter là. Ben non, il faut qu'il fasse son petit numéro de Fils du Feu. Et ça désolé, mais ça m'énerve. Produire une musique extrêmement pauvre avec un matos d'enfer comme il le fait avec l'air de se la péter grave, il en a parfaitement le droit. Mais ça donne à certains l'envie de se payer sa tête. Dont moi.
Ou alors c'est un génie que seuls certains savent reconnaitre...

P.S. je persiste, sur la fin de la vidéo, une belle grosse moustache et c'est Freddie.

[BLT]

Loin de moi l'idée de plaider sa cause mais d'après le nombre de vues et les commentaires sous ses vidéos, ce qu'il fait plaît à pas mal de gens, c'est d'ailleurs certainement pourquoi Behringer s'est arrangé avec lui pour les démos.
Il y a pas mal d'"artistes" au côté desquels il ferait figure de génie avant-gardiste qui remplissent des salles et des stades.
Le grand public a des goûts de chiottes et si on veut se faire un nom et du fric il faut lui servir ce qu'il veut entendre.

[Biosynth]

@ms12:
Je n’accroche pas à sa musique non plus, et il peut paraitre agaçant parfois oui, mais concretement sa deuxieme video, dans son role comparatif avec le vp330, est bien foutue.

(Et concernant freddie mercury personnellement je pense qu’il y aurait une sacree ribambelle de guignols à fustiger avant lui)

[gouji]

Cette 2nde vidéo est très bien, voir carrément bluffante !
A tel point qu'on pourrait en venir à se poser la question du fake ! C'est vraiment troublant.
Chapeau sur ce coup là.

[tomheck]

It's not a fake

[tedire]

J'espère qu'il sortira ce VP... franchement ça le fait. Tant pis pour le clavier half dize.

[Herd]

des news de l'UBXa

si ça sonne comme le D et comme le VP... ça promet
jamais touché cet oberheim, mais ya un petit vst free sur mac qui a un son vraiment toujours très inspirant, jamais imaginé avoir un en hardware alors si (ou quand) ça arrive ça pourra être un beau synthé sur lequel poser ses pattes.





le petit message du suisse qui va avec, c'est assez cool une entreprise qui ouvre le développement de certains synthés au retour direct de ses futurs utilisateurs :

Allow me to provide you with a quick update.

Aside from the earlier desktop version, many of you requested for a keyboard version of the UB-Xa synth and hence we thought we'd share some designs with you. We have asked our engineers to render a 5-octave keyboard version and use this opportunity to show you some of the insights how such a product is developed.

It all starts with the industrial design as well as definition and placement of all functional controls. Once this is completed, the next step is to transfer the "dxf" file which contain the component coordinates plus the artwork for the silk screen printing to the mechanical engineers.
Their job is now to translate the artwork into a fully functional design. In general this works quite smoothly but there are instances where mechanical conflicts arise and artwork changes are required. This collaboration between industrial designers as well as mechanical and system engineers gets more complicated whenever electrical or mechanical constraints come into play.

Over many decades our engineering teams have created a massive component library of close to 100,000 components which have been designed in a photo- and dimension-realistic manner.
This means that any product that is designed based on components from the library will automatically look and feel real, which helps us not only to shorten the design and review process but also skip all photography. As a result any changes can be done almost in real-time and there is no need for traditional photography anymore which is a huge time and cost saver. All our product images on our websites are renderings.

Today I am asking for your feedback in relation to the current design. Do you prefer a keyboard over a desktop version and if yes would you vote for a 4 or 5 octave version. Please remember that the actual features have not yet been decided as we're still gathering valuable input.

Thanks for your feedback.

Uli

[Foreverchild]

(Et concernant freddie mercury personnellement je pense qu’il y aurait une sacree ribambelle de guignols à fustiger avant lui)

Carrément!!!

[skawiwen]

mais ya un petit vst free sur mac qui a un son vraiment toujours très inspirant,

précision pour les ceusses qui jouent du mulot:
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[plogbidman]

Uli dans Gearlutz à propos de l'UB-Xa :

Dear all,

As many of you know, synths have been my passion for the past 40 years. Sometime ago I have set the goal for Behringer to bring back some of the loved analog synth jewels from the past.

Please allow me to share some thoughts with you and apologies if this is a longer thread.

Does this make any commercial sense?
Every company has to earn money in order to survive, and so do we. However, since we are privately owned, we don’t really care about the next quarter’s result or "shareholder value" since it is our philosophy to reinvest everything we earn.
This gives us the tremendous freedom to work on projects that can only be described as “labor of love” as they might not yield any financial gains. This is why we embark on these synth projects; some of them might not sell in high quantities and frankly to us it doesn’t really matter.
Many of our competitors spend all of their effort on marketing to make you believe in analog synth emulation simply because it’s much easier and cheaper to assemble a DSP chip on a PCB board rather than building products with thousands of analog components and deal with the manufacturing complexity plus expensive manual calibration processes.

However we at Behringer and Midas believe in the passion to revive these analog jewels and the fun these projects create for our team - which to us is worth everything.

Why we believe in analog?
We at Behringer do not believe in “virtual analog”, VST’s or other creative names for digital sound emulations as we are of the firm opinion that you cannot replicate true analog sound through digital technology, and there are many technical reasons for this. To be very clear, this doesn’t mean digital synths or VST’s can't sound great, but it is just something we don’t believe in.

Our passion and emotions are with true analog synths and our goal is to bring back the authentic sound of original designs from the period of the 60’s to the 80’s. In order to achieve the exact same sound, we will use the same circuitry and where possible the same components, however we will apply modern manufacturing technologies to make these instruments affordable, mass producible and reliable for the long-term use.
In many cases we will also remanufacture obsolete components if we feel they are relevant to the sound. In short we will not spare any effort in order to capture the spirit of these synths as it is all about authenticity.

Why do we make this announcement?
For the first time in our 30 year history, we have decided to completely open up our company and share every step of the development process with you so you can ask questions while we will be seeking your opinions.
In fact we want you to participate in this end-to-end process so we can learn from you, but also for you to fully understand how such a synth is developed and manufactured.

What is the UB-Xa synthesizer?
Over the past years we have done a lot of research both on forums but also through interviews with professional musicians in order to understand what the most sought after synths and drum machines are, but also what people feel the sound signatures of these synths are and why people feel so strongly about them.

When it comes to poly-synths the overwhelming request is a rebirth of the Oberheim OB-Xa.

Today I officially announce that we have decided that we will develop and produce an authentic OB-Xa clone which we call the UB-Xa. As you can imagine, this is a very complex and time-consuming project and at this stage we won’t be able to tell you when the instrument will be available in the market or what it will cost.

Since this is more a labor of love than a commercially viable project, our engineers can’t work fulltime on this synth and will use some of their free time, hence the project will likely take more than 12 months.
Most importantly, our goal is to make it an absolute authentic sounding instrument and offer it at a truly affordable price - but you know this already.

Because of its high complexity, we have assigned this project to our most experienced team which is the Midas team in Manchester, UK. These synth nuts and super-smart engineers - under the leadership of Pete and Rob - were also the ones who developed the successful DeepMind12.

So what’s next?
In around one week from now, Pete and Rob will post our first video and share some thoughts with you. Our intention is to not only post videos on a regular basis but also write articles and publish them on our social media pages so you can follow this project.
Now that we have decided on the project, next is the discussion around the basic concept, the feature set and also the building blocks including potential component choices. In the near future we will be able to show you the first “bread boards” of the sound engine and hopefully let you hear some sound samples.
Next will be PCB and mechanical designs, followed by hand- and tool made samples. And then of course we will be sharing the exciting mass production where we will be showing the production setup and testing plus quality control processes. And if you’re not yet bored by then, we can also show you the packaging and shipping process.

The team in Manchester and I are very excited about this project and we hope that many of you will chime in and participate.

And one more thing - once we’re nearing shipping, we will be raffling off some free units among you as a token of appreciation.

May the fun begin☺

Uli

[Herd]

Uli dans Gearlutz à propos de l'UB-Xa :

il est vieux non ce message ?

[Herd]

tiens et pour ceux que cela intéresse une annonce d'il y a deux jours du suisse sur les prix du VP, marrant à lire pour entreapercevoir le ratio prix final / volume de production

(je me fais le relais d'Uli hein, maintenant que j'ai été officialisé communicant non officiel de Berhi )

I like to discuss the status of the VC340 with you and appreciate your feedback.

As we have often explained to you, our pricing model is defined by a straightforward "bottom up" calculation, which means we multiply our manufacturing cost by a factor of approximately 3 in order to arrive at the US MAP (Minimum Advertised Price).
This will allow us to pay for our development and manufacturing cost but also enable distributors and retailers to distribute the product to you and equally pay for their staff.

In terms of the Vocoder VC340 we are struggling a bit. This is a pretty exotic synthesizer and many people told us that we're totally crazy to invest so much time and effort to bring it back to life.
People who are familiar with technology understand that this is a very complex analog product as it contains over 3,000 components of specified with very low tolerances.

While we have not decided to actually manufacture the product, I personally like to bring it back as it's such a beautiful instrument. In fact it's a synthesizer I feel very sentimental about as it was one of those synths I always wanted but could not afford when I was a kid!

Now here's where we are:

1.) If our order book covers at least 1,000 units, it would allow us to sell the VC340 for US$ MAP 999.99.
2.) If we can collect orders for more than 5,000 units, we could actually lower the price to US$ 799,99.
3.) If we cannot gather at least orders for 1,000 units, we unfortunately would have to abandon the project as we would loose too much money. In this case I have at least my own prototype:-).

Please share with us your level of interest. Thanks for your help - I truly hope we can make this happen:-)

Uli

[BLT]

Hé oui, dire au client ce qu'il a envie d'entendre et bien l'enrober, c'est la base du marketing.

[plogbidman]

@ Herd
Ce message d'Uli date d'il y a 3 semaines environ.

[Herd]